Problem needs to be resolved somehow.A Big Fight

[Flawsoul]

So I go one Transformice and I'm feeling really encouraged to put some backbone into the rules by just Talking to people From The Problems forum But a fight Occurs I try to help whoever is on Stop the fight so the clan Isn't torn up Well What happens? We lost a good few members Now I am exhausted from over 6 hours of Trying to peacefully deal with this without Insulting hurting or harming anyone,

So I'm gonna get someone higher up to deal with this

here's the problem From my point of view:

Someone Brings Up "Kindle and Ink killed Sunset"(Which I Won't Belive until its 100% proven to me to prevent rumors) Some people Get mad Then the gathering starts and Hawkstar visits Someone Still holding A grudge at hawkstar. that person Tries to start and Argument Then I come back from Posting On another website and chatting And I find out by reading Tribe chat That 3 People Started Bickering at Kindle for reasons mentioned earlier and then kindle left the Clan.
a while after I try I talk to these people one of them leaves the clan.
Neither Of the Three people(Two are surely still in the clan) that are angry at kindle Seem to wanna be very rational Now I prefer have hiddenclan be a peacefulplace Because it should be a Fan based"Roleplay" clan not a clan who fights over Real life arguments Right? I do admit at one point I said Something That Could For sure be Taken Offensively ,I was trying to think Diplomatically For Hours , Then Someone Comes On and I start thinking that Since that Person came one and kinda calmed things down that the matter would end there But it doesn't Anyhow it Eventually OVer time theres one person online whos Angry at others such as kindle, someone else and hawkstar and I'm tired of trying to Mention stuff peacefully and All this Anger over Roleplay is Just ridiculous so I posted this here. That is all I can remember at the moment

Also this is me holding a little grudge (Yes I am Capable of that) but I do remember Being Insulted(In my point of Veiw It seemed like that person had done that Because I was Trying to Stop people from Starting arguments) which was a little annoying) By a kit whos Name I wont mention on this thread Unless I am asked to by a deputy or Serenity

I'm not gonna let something like this Tear apart members of Hiddenclan Because Hiddenclan Is a Fan based roleplay clan With great deputies and a Excellent Leader that I want others to be able to enjoy Like I did.

Lots of work But this isn't going Under my radar . IT has to be resolved and I feel there Should be some consequences

This Is a roleplay Clan There Should be no Reason for Arguing over roleplay and why Have such an Emotional Response to it In real life? its Fictional and there Are People behind these Computers not Robots.The fighting Just Tears the Clan Apart.

Seesh One of my first times Trying to Help Resolve A big problem and put more Backbone Into Helping Resolve this(The most backbone I put into any into Problem So that's why I wouldn't be too pleased If This was Ignored or not looked at much by the readers of this)

If a Deputy Or leader Could read this and Get the Views from or talk to The other People Who I can Remember(Some others May have been Involved I missed A little bit of this But it Has been going On For over at The minimal 2 hours and "O what Great fun I had."-Sarcasm) That were Involved I am About to list here:

List of people Involved(The Good ,the Bad people, The people Who I only know where Just mentioned and some People where Getting angry at Over their roleplay Actions ,and the people who left) that I know of and can Remember:


Sunpelt

Forestheart

Kindleheart

Ink(I dont know the last part of the name so I'm guessing it could be any Ink )

FerretWhisper

Marblefur

Dovesong

Swanfeathers

Flawsoul(Aka the person who's posting this XD)

I think there Was a few more .... I don't know.(So many names X-X)

I do hope this Gets Resolved And I do Trust That a deputy or The leader ,If they Have the time and feel a need to, will be able to look into this.

[Wildshadows]

Wow. I'm surprised my name didn't show up on that list. I'm afraid that If I was there I would of done things that shouldn't be done.

If you SKIPPED, or SKIMMED Flawsoul's thread. I'm FORCING you to read it. Every word is needed to take into. Well, I guess I'm not forcing but PLEASE! For the best.

After myself, reading it. It makes me feel terrible, I mean honestly. I let a lot of these things slip. Things do get emotional. I mean, If you think of this. If we were all face to face. You wouldn't say anything! Look at me! I'm talking to you, but in REAL LIFE. I wouldn't be. I'm supper quiet. You might be like, "Wow. How in the world is Wild quiet?" Look at yourself, question yourself.

This fight, I was not online. The way Flaw describes it.. Makes me happy that I was not online. My only wish is that no cat should of been harmed. Sunpelt has described to me what has happend. Not to be fully 100% sure if it is all true.

My question is off topic, but I want EVERYONE. To think about this.

Is your stupid fight really worth dieing over? We have all made mistakes. WE ALL HAVE.

I'm sure there are some you can hold grudges for, I MEAN. I can! If this was real life, WOULD YOU DO IT?

In your actions, always think. " If I was in real life, would this hurt this other person. Or would it hurt me? "

Now. If you haven't read all Flawsoul's post. GO BACK AND READ IT.

Thank you, -Wildshadows.

[Forestheart]

First Flaw his name is Inkclaw
Second You should now that it is true Ink and Kindle killed Sun in rp
and it is true they started a tribe with Dove called Owlclan
Just wanted to add some facts to your thread u should probably put it all in. thx

-Forestheart

[Turtlecloud]

But the re-vamp seren is organising will resolve these. Me and Forest and Shreddedtail have begun to help. Read forests post in other.

[Flawsoul]

Forest.FirstI was assuming that In the first place because that's the only Ink I know In hiddenclan But then I had second thoughts In case it was a different Ink Second Would it be a big Concern If they Did? All the emotional attachment this Family and mates stuff has gotten too far . Would you willingly Exclude Someone From a group because You think they Don't deserve to be in it? Anyhow How Could this "Murder" Happen If the Person roleplaying as Sun Wouldn't want their character to be killed? The roleplayers Involved Would both have to agree on that happening for it To Happen in roleplay. Third I didn't State whether or not they started Owlclan because that seems rather Irrelevant to the topic of a problem The fighting is The Issue .The Problem Is not the fact that I didn't just go Hunt them down and Bicker at them Until there Forced to do something like Leave Transformice altogether to avoid all this Ridiculous Insults and Fighting. I wont hunt someone Down to All ends of the earth to Make them pay for something, Especially something Completely Fiction Such as roleplay.



Fourth As of these matters This Is a roleplay clan So why Should Someone be Kicked for roleplaying? it Seems rather ridiculous to me.
. Try Thinking about others more often (And An Example of not doing this Would be If Someone mentioned Something Back to me saying something similar to the Effect of "Was kindle thinking about others when she did ___" or " was Ink Thinking about others When he Did ___ " I've seen people Use others Words like that When There angry All to many times....)

FifthThanks for telling me some of the other stuff Because for having hours of argument from when this started its hard to remember all of what people said.

Sixth I Repeat Myself In saying I will not hunt down someone to all ends of the earth for something That is fiction such as roleplay Thank you. To that End of the matter Saying "it is True that They did this and it is also True they did that" With seemingly 100% certainty like that Would make This thread Rather Redundant to me. As that May cause more people To become Angered At kindle and Ink and it even may Cause Them to be Angered at Dove. For much as Similar Reasons As Why I didn't State The people Involved Names Out Bluntly When I recalled Those Facts And Instead I Listed the people Who were Involved at the End so that There Wouldn't be as much people All riled up and angry at others About this. I also tried to carefully use words and some reasoning to avoid People Getting As upset over this. I'm trying not to be a fire starter.

Posted by XTurtlecloudX on Today at 8:48am
But the re-vamp seren is organising will resolve these. Me and Forest and Shreddedtail have begun to help. Read forests post in other.

Ahem I posted This Before The Revamp And This Is not The exact Same(or Exactly different) As Those Problems This Is a Issue That As happened Recently I suggest You Re-read This Over or If you haven't Paid much attention the I suggest you Read it Again Please and thank you. This Was also not a Tiny little problem So Please Don't treat it like that.

[Ferretwhisper]

Okay guys, listen. Seren's back now. Alright? Well, that's not my point, so let me join in.

I was there when this happened, then Forest asked me what happened, so I told him, also I told him I was trying to stop it. But he said I should've tried harder (UGH) And then we got into an arguement. Then THAT ONE -Points at Marble with facepaw- Started argueing with Hawkstar at the Gathering, I have no idea why he wanted to rekill the Leader, but I do care since i'm changing for the better of the clan. And Flaw, the fight did happen, I was there, I saw it. But couldn't prevent it, Kindle and Ink just kept attacking him, so I gave up, seeing it to be pointless when they would just keep on. And now, Wilow wants revenge on Kindle (Which I do NOT approve of. She even discussed it with me, and I think she's still going through with it)

The fact is, this arguement needs to stop. It's pitiful in my opinion, it's in the past, ever heard of 'Forgive and forget?' Well, half of you I think have never heard of such words. Look, I know the punishment for Kindle killing Sunpelt, but since she's not here anymore, their's no reason to talk about it, or do anything. (Also, Holly should be punished, she wanted to kill Sun too; But wasn't on when it occured)

Since Kindle's not here for punishment, oh wait. Yes she is, Kindle = Shadowpaw. Just thought you should know. I'm sorry Kindle, but they already figured it out last night :/. Now I hate sounding like a snitch, but usually people tell me a lot, and i'm usually there. I have plenty of information on the arguement, and fight. Seren, Jay, Ice, if you would like to discuss it with me. I'd be happy to operate and talk with you.

But I find it stupid you're all fighting over it when it's in the past, forget about it. Kindle's not here, their's no punishment being handled out. A lot of people (Forest, Marble, Swan) Want to kill Kindle. That's stupid, that is NOT what being a clan is about, and Marble even said 'Kindle has killed, she should be banned from the clan' well, she banned HERSELF. So get over it, quit trying to track her down, and leave her alone. It's in the past and it's ridiculous to even speak of it now, it's causing to many problems, plenty of people leaving. And many fights. And since Flaw, Ruby, and I. Are the only ones (I'm sorry if their are more.) We have to take control, and keep telling people to stop. We can't hand out punishments, because they're doing nothing wrong, but it's pitiful.

I'd also like to point out that Sun said last night 'I deserved it, just forget about it' Sun want's us to FORGET about it. So stop, he said it himself, and he was the one killed. So stop argueing, stop fighting, and stop complaining. A lot of us are getting sick of it.

Now, i'm sorry for my rant, but I was being honest, and Forest. The way you lettered that, it make it sound kind of rude. (I could be wrong) It is the Internet, and we can't tell what your tone of voice is when typing that, now. I hate to sound demanding, but please don't seem so straight forward, actually provide proof and such, that could help. Thanks.

I'm sorry for my rant, I had to get it out :/

-Ferretwhisper

[Flawsoul]

._. yeah basically some of what ferret Just said would have been better than some of what I said Especially considering that I missed out on Some stuff


that's also why I wanted someone like a deputy to get the points of view from the other people so that they could completely put together what happened and do something about the problem.

[Purplesparks]

Really. All this happens WHEN I'M GONE -_-

Everyone literally needs to grow up in HC. Stop bullying people at every corner, and just stop fighting over the stupid stuff.

"Oh! He stepped on my paw!"

"HOLY CRAP SOMEONE BAN HIM!"

"NO F---- YOU!"

"WELL F--- YOU TOO!"

*Someone leaves the tribe*

Enough is enough, really. And i know i wasn't there when it happened, but Kindle was my friend. So was Dove. And really, half the time everyone fights over nothing, I want to leave. No one wants to be in a clan that's based off of drama and fights. It's either someone does something about this, or we'll just end up falling apart.

And really, whenever someone says they're gonna go something, nothing happens. Everyone gives up and moves on. No. Just no. Do what you say. Don't just give up when your half way through.

Really, can we just get along instead of bicker over friggin THIN AIR?

[cloudywish]

Ik… and whenever I come on there's always another fight. So far in the past 2 weeks that I have re-came back to TFM, there's been about 3 fights that I know of. Please stop. This is tearing our clan apart.